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Keero89 · Aug 26, 2008, 10:09 AM // 10:09

Not everyone has Factions or GWEN... yet, but I do have Prophecies. I was wondering what were some builds that don't rely on just ["Save Yourselves!"] and GWEN PVE skills? In my build I usually have [Spear of Lightning][Go for the Eyes][Anthem of Flame]["There's nothing to fear"][Aggressive refrain] and I either bring ["Fall Back!"] or [Cautery Signet], but outside of those first 5 skills, I really have no clue what to use or what Secondary to go. :x I do enjoy the support role and I rarely run out of energy with my builds, but I'm not sure of what Paragon's can really do outside of the Imbagon builds and spreading burning. I'm level 20 and still in the Vabbi Mission areas, so I am up for capping elites that you guys suggest. Also, is that other IAS worth getting because it's a 33% IAS instead of AR's 25% (soldier's something)?

I was playing a Mesmer and Dervish for the last week and hopped on my Paragon just to show my bro how Leadership works, and dang, I forgot how much fun they were. I haven't played him in months and now I wanna finish the story with him.

Rothan Celt · Aug 26, 2008, 10:11 AM // 10:11

Try using stunning spear / Epidemic to spread daze along with minor support.
Ebon dust aura is also useful with a spear.

Edit: Just noticed you dnt have factions o.O Try using Fevered dreams on a hero then. if you do go with daze spam then of course bring a Barrage ranger.

Richardt · Aug 26, 2008, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Try the paragon thread by Snow Bunny-it's stickied at the top.

I posted several paragon builds that should work for you.

Lopezus · Aug 26, 2008, 05:30 PM // 17:30

Cruel Spear - to grab just early on elona mainland - very good para elite, combine with warrior shout FGJ, - helping both with damage output and protecting team.

wilebill · Aug 26, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Good suggestions here for your build, my little suggestion is use your paragon hero as a Motivation Paragon. Builds on the wiki. With or without a MM you can then concentrate on damage.

Keero89 · Aug 27, 2008, 04:10 PM // 16:10

Alright, I'll check those out, thanks. I'll also try to cap Cruel Spear later on as well. And with my previous question, is [Soldier's Fury] better than [Aggressive Refrain] now since it attacks faster?

Savio · Aug 27, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Soldier's Fury uses up your elite slot, Aggressive Refrain doesn't. You have much better choices for your elite.

Richardt · Aug 27, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

While AR has a hefty fee, it is a one time deal-by using things like TNtF and Anthem of Flame/Weariness you can keep it for however long you want at 12 leadership.

Cathode_Reborn · Sep 16, 2008, 04:16 AM // 04:16

No other builds besides an "imbagon" have really caught my attention (and because of that, my Para collects dust) but if I was to run somethin else, It'd probably be Stunning Strike with Spear of Fury to fuel it.

I had an idea of using Dark Fury on a paragon with "The Power is Yours" as e-management, but haven't tried messin around with it yet.

Bowstring Badass · Sep 16, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by Richardt

While AR has a hefty fee, it is a one time deal-by using things like TNtF and Anthem of Flame/Weariness you can keep it for however long you want at 12 leadership.

I think its able to be kept up at the lowest of 9 leadership.

Richardt · Sep 17, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

If that's true, then what shout are you using to keep AR up outside of battle? Looking over the skills I'm not seeing a way to keep AR up with a 17s duration.

Tyla · Sep 17, 2008, 06:47 AM // 06:47

I'd use "We Shall Return!".

Reasons are: AoF isn't my cup of tea, AoW is pretty dumb when I'm using Enfeebling Blood.

That is, if I can't keep AR up with TNTF.

xakia · Sep 17, 2008, 01:16 PM // 13:16

I use [Cruel Spear] and [Blazing Spear] with [Fall Back] to kite my opponents. That's pretty much all the attacks I need. The rest of my skill bar can be used for support skills varying on location. I have a hard time getting away from [Go for the Eyes!] for energy management. For IAS I use [Aggressive Refrain] and keep it up with either [Anthem of Flame] or [Anthem of Weariness]

Koning · Sep 17, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45

My cruel spear build (If I remember correctly):

Cruel spear
Blazing spear
Spear of lightning/swift javelin (depending if there's an order in the party)
Watch yourself (for the energy, but extra armor is nice without an SY)
Ebon battle standard of honor (or I am the strongest/GDW)
TNTF
AR
FGJ

14 Spear
12 Leadership
6 tactics (for watch yourself, if you take GftE as energy engine spec into command ofc)

Cast AR with a +3 leadership helm and maintain it with TNTF (or even fgj).

Richardt · Sep 17, 2008, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I'd use "We Shall Return!".

Reasons are: AoF isn't my cup of tea, AoW is pretty dumb when I'm using Enfeebling Blood.

That is, if I can't keep AR up with TNTF.

That'd prolly work pretty well for Leadership at 10+, which is the lowest you'll want to have it-makes no sense really to have Leadership at an odd number.

shadowmage61 · Sep 17, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Well, if you don't mind using more shouts than spear attacks, this build is ridiculously fun when paired with an SF ele and orders derv

[Soldier's Fury] [Spear of Fury] [Blazing Spear] [They're On Fire] [Anthem of Flame] [Blazing Finale] [Save Yourselves!] [Signet of Return]

14 Leadership
12 Spear Mastery

Has excellent damage output and damage reduction thanks to insane AoE burning and ToF/SY. With 3 shouts and 14 leadership energy is never a problem (in an 8 man party), and spear of fury along with the orders take care of all your adrenaline. Just don't try to use it on destroyers... >.>

PS. Before people flame me for using Soldier's Fury over Agressive Refrain, the reason I use it is because my monk heroes inevitably spend battles removing Cracked Armor from me instead of doing useful things. It's just personal preference; I like the IAS/bonus adrenaline and don't mind recasting every 30 seconds. Although, if you're in an elite area where you're using cons, you might as well switch it out for Focused Anger since you'll get the IAS from Essence of Celerity and FA will net you more adrenaline.

PS again. If you don't have access to SY, Go For The Eyes! is a decent alternative, and just noticed that the description for Soldier's Fury is wrong. It provides a 33% IAS with 33% more adrenaline as well while under the effect of a chant or shout.

Tyla · Sep 17, 2008, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by Richardt

That'd prolly work pretty well for Leadership at 10+, which is the lowest you'll want to have it-makes no sense really to have Leadership at an odd number.

Maybe there's some sort of hidden breakpoint at 9 Leadership!

I see your point here. I generally wouldn't go below 10 Leadership on Paragons anyway, unless it's on an area with 4 allies only.

Rhamia Darigaz · Sep 17, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by shadowmage61

Well, if you don't mind using more shouts than spear attacks, this build is ridiculously fun when paired with an SF ele and orders derv

[Soldier's Fury] [Spear of Fury] [Blazing Spear] [They're On Fire] [Anthem of Flame] [Blazing Finale] [Save Yourselves!] [Signet of Return]

ups, u used skills from fractions. do u remember y OP made this thred?

shadowmage61 · Sep 17, 2008, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

ups, u used skills from fractions. do u remember y OP made this thred?

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Originally Posted by shadowmage61

PS again. If you don't have access to SY, Go For The Eyes! is a decent alternative

Although yeah, forgot about Spear of Fury. Swift Javelin is a decent replacement. Since you won't need to get the 8 adrenaline for SY, you shouldn't miss the extra adrenaline from Spear of Fury too badly.

And btw Rhamia, at least I tried to help the OP. Your +1 doesn't help the OP or contribute to the thread at all; it just shows how bad you are at spelling >.<

Bobby2 · Sep 17, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by shadowmage61

[Soldier's Fury] [Spear of Fury] [Blazing Spear] [They're On Fire] [Anthem of Flame] [Blazing Finale] [Save Yourselves!] [Signet of Return]

PS. Before people flame me for using Soldier's Fury over Agressive Refrain, the reason I use it is because my monk heroes inevitably spend battles removing Cracked Armor from me instead of doing useful things.

Don't run Monk Heroes, take Henchies instead.

If running 2-player/6-hero, just use the condi removal slots for something else.